How To Turn Free Leads Into Recruits On Command
Let’s continue on with our discussion . . .
In the last week we’ve talked a great deal
about turning negatives into positives - how
to turn getting ripped off into an
opportunity that can bring you leads without
cost.
We’ve even taken that idea and turned it into
a system for free lead generation using
online forums. (One fast learner who’s picked
up on things fast has even taken this idea
and turned it into reality - check out
Cheree’s post #15 here.)
Now let’s take these free leads to the bank
and turn them into recruits.
Pay close attention.
As I give you this strategy for online
recruiting please understand that there are
several systems I currently use, but I’m
not going to be revealing them all here now
because it’s not about overload. It’s about
getting results.
My aim in sharing this information is to give
you a simple system you can use to recruit
now even if you’re just getting started, so
this system I’ve chosen was chosen for a
reason - this is something everyone can do.
Let’s pick up from getting free leads using a
rip off report as bait while carrying on
conversations in online forums.
People will be requesting your free report
and will become subscribers to your
autoresponder. (If you don’t have one or
don’t know what one is here is the one I use
and have used for several years now.)
Once these leads are in your database your
next job is to carry on a conversation. Give
value. Your immediate job is NOT to recruit.
You want to give people a reason to want to
work with you first without even bringing up the
idea that it’s possible.
So if you start out with the idea of a rip
off report. Daily you should share your
story. How you were ripped off and how your
readers can avoid your mistake.
If you can turn this information into a
conversation by incorporating a blog and
having a two way discussion this will
increase your results and allow you to give
even further value.
This blog step is NOT necessary, but is
powerful to those willing to do so.
For about a month you should share daily
information to your subscriber base about how
not to get ripped off.
You should seed the idea that they can really
make money in their own business if they just
find the right one and the right person to
work with and give reasons why like:
-With the right business all the marketing is
done for you
-With the right business you’ll have a product
in demand
-With the right mentor they’ll shortcut all
the pitfalls that could occur
-Etc.
Now, you should probably designate one week
per month that you will call your promotion
week. In this week, you open the doors for
others to work with you, but only those who
meet the criteria of people you specifically
want to work with.
What this means is you should take some time
to really put down on paper what type of team
you want. What personality characteristics
will these individuals have? Etc.
In your week of promotion be sure to let them
know who should apply and why - once you know
yourself.
Of course you’re only one person so you have
to limit the number you will take in because
you as one person only have some much time to
devote and you don’t want to bring people in
that you will not be able to give the time
you think they deserve.
A safe number for this for most people is
five.
Well if you’re getting free leads from
forums, what happens when you’ve got 80 to
100 leads and you’re telling all 100 you’ve
only got 5 spaces?
You create REAL scarcity which increases value
and response. This is good.
Now, how do you promote in the week you choose
to promote?
I think the simplest way to do that is at the
end of each email you send give your leads a
call to action in the way of an email address
where they can email you to set up an
appointment.
Tell them how many appointments you are going
to take and give them simple instructions as
to what they need to provide you to actually
get that appointment.
If, for instance, you ask them to tell you
what their long term goals are in the email
you ask them to send you to request an
appointment make sure you read each
appointment request to make sure that they
do.
Anyone who does not follow your instructions
will get no response from you. Those who do -
you will set up a time to see if they are a
right fit for you in your business.
You’re interviewing them NOT the other way
around.
Think of yourself as a detective actively
looking for signs of weakness. When they show
these signs, you bail and tell them they are
not ready and you simply move on to the next
appointment.
Most home business entrepreneurs get this
backwards. They are so desperate for someone
to join their business they appear desperate.
Well, you appear desperate & you’ve given away
your control of the situation plus you
repel your future leaders.
Always remember this is YOUR business. You
fill it with ONLY the people you want to be a
part of it and reject all the rest.
Once you make recruiting about - YOU rejecting -
them you’ll have people jumping through hoops
to get involved.
Follow this simple system and you’ll be
surprised at what you can do with a few free
leads, but realize this is only ONE of many ways
to recruit. Before I share more let me know
if you understand all that’s been discussed
here today by commenting below.
If you have any questions feel free to ask.
As always, I read every single one of your
comments.
To the top,
Daegan
“The King Of Never Calling A Single Lead”
Tags: daegan smith, free mlm leads, mike dillard, push button recruiting
Yes I undrstand everything that i have read. I’m so ready to learn more.
After reading #1 of your sales pitch, what are you trying to sell? You have me confused. Is this NORMAL. or WHAT????? I have been a silent partner for sometime now, but am still confused. I will NOT sell or turn anyone around into “recruits”, until I have found the truth!!!! Please don’t back down on me, because I just might be the #1 in my business, while your making it rich for you, too!!!!
Lynne,
Your post has me confused? I’m not selling you anything here. I’m sharing a simple recruiting system for beginners online to use. If you can tell me what #1 means and what you’re personally confused about maybe I can help.
To the top,
Daegan
Just saw this about Daegan Smith vs. Mike Dillards perspective on MLM and thought it was good food for thought. What do you think?
http://freemlmleadsuk.bttradespace.com/ViewPost.aspx?ID=5
James
James,
That’s a doozy you sent in. I for one greatly respect Mike as one smart cookie, but heck I don’t think I’m so bad myself. I think this little comment you left is going create a lot of controversy.
I’m curious just to see what others weigh in to say. (But I’m staying out of it from here)
To the top,
Daegan
I would like to know what I can do immediately to have money generated now! I have taken action to manifest wealth.Now I amin need of guidance to bring proof to reality.
This is in response to James blog article…
GOOD CHOICE! I think Mike Dillard is smart, as he has made millions- BUT I’ve known Daegan for many years and have worked with him in several projects, He IS the real-deal. Genuinely concerned to help others and really is the only reason why I didn’t leave the MLM industry all together a few years ago. Daegan always has valuable gems to share with others, and not only is a “smart cookie”…he’s brilliant. I too went through the Magnetic Sponsoring program, learned a few things, but the real value and proven techniques are with Daegan. I can speak from personally knowing Daegan and can share this with you from my heart. Following him, I know I’ll see him at the top!…hopefully you too
~ ISABEL ~
I think i have to weigh in on this one, considering I work closely with Mike on a number of projects.
I had a conversation with Mike about this, and the point of the letter was to appeal to a certain “avatar”. This avatar is a successful networker, who’s done well, but is not making the money he/she thinks they should be, considering the amount of effort they are putting in.
This type of person generally is also willing to learn new (or already has) skills that offer a great deal of leverage, and if you look at the opportunity that’s being promoted, its really heavy on the marketing and there is less emphasis on the personal touch like calling leads, 3-way calls, personal mentorship… the hands on type of stuff.
This is also very much the case if your company is anti-marketing. There’s a lot of leg work you have to do to keep from getting in trouble with your company, meaning one you get the lead you HAVE TO call them, show them the plan, personally sign them up, etc. because you are not allowed to simply send them an email to sign up.
If you are doing MLM that has a more traditional pay plan with low priced products, you need the numbers to support your business, therefore you have to appeal to everyone, including people with zero business experience and you have to do a lot of leg work (even with lead systems in place) to close the deal.
Mike reached a level in his career where he didn’t have the time to devote to mentoring super green entrepreneurs. He wanted to focus on people with some experience and skill sets in their back pocket. That’s who the CHL appeals to.
And Daegan himself has experience with companies with a more traditional comp plan and the higher tier comp plans, so he too can speak from personal experience that the type of folks you have to attract to make those respective businesses work will be different.
mis dos centavos
-Ferny
Ferny,
Not touching the debate, but the idea of an “avatar” isn’t one I’ve discussed at length in email as it’s more advanced, but it’s a fantastic point. I’ll judge what folks weigh in with and maybe elaborate on the concept in the near future here.
Thanks and can’t wait to catch up for more fun out it East LA player.
To the top,
Daegan
Hey Daegan,
Definitely, got some late night taco trucks waiting for you here, bro. There’s one really good one down the street from me. Delicious!
-Ferny
I think that each guru has something to offer to everyone. You could also put Jonathan Budd in that category as well. I don’t think that I have been ripped off by either and gained some type of knowledge from each. I am just trying to get to the top and help people get healthy and wealthy along the way. All information has its place.
Hey Daegan,
yep I’m following and understanding just fine. Your emails changed the way I looked at my MLM business completely. I’ve seen a lot of Mike Dillard’s stuff too and he’s a smart guy, but I’d have to say my money would be on listening to you first. Why? Because you’re down to earth and you care about helping your subscribers. You don’t send us a barrage of sales hype every day, just legitimate techniques that work and in such a way that it’s easy for anyone to understand.
I have some sympathy with the person who wrote that post that James linked to. Maybe because I’m in the UK too. Our attitude here to marketing in general, never mind MLM, is very different to the US. I’m not entirely sure how to explain the difference. Methods that work in the US just don’t work the same here. We’re too sceptical. When I read Mike’s emails, they strike me as over the top and very showy. When I read yours, they just make good old plain common sense.
Keep going… looking forward to learning more.
Louise
Wow I just read the link on comment #4. Personally I think the guy is being too ignorant.
I am a student of both of these great networkers, actually purchasing and enjoying almost all of their courses and I have to say, even the most expensive ones over deliver.
That guy Jay is trying to do whats called an amog in the seduction community. He is trying to make himself seem better by belittling an alpha male, unfortunately I believe Mike is too alpha to be fazed by that.
I agree that Daegan is great, but I believe Mike is right up there too. I think both of their courses are great for newbies, Mike’s was the first that lead me in the right direction.
I think Daegan gives a lot of great free info, and I thank him for that, even his cd was great.
As far as Mike being in WMI while selling mlm stuff. I believe he used to be in xango, and probably ran into the same problem I have, as well as others have before. We must keep recruiting in order to maintain our residual income. No matter what, you recruit some program hoppers or lazy bums in any mlm, and unfortunately they drop out if you dont “build their downline.” Mike has realised that himself and decided to drop what Im sure was a multiplt 6 figure residual in xango in order to work with more dedicated higher quality people in WMI.
Either way Mike’s tactics are effective in MLM, GPT, and any other type of home business. Sorry Jay if Mike couldn’t change the name and info of all his courses to make you happy because he decided on a different income approach.
Daegan and Mike both rock, you guys aren’t gods, but you’re my financial heroes. I really hope to meet you guys at Yanik’s event next June in D.C.
Sylvan Noel
Just to prove I do still follow Daegans emails everyday here I am. Jay Roberts maybe wishing he had not wrote that???? But it is from the heart and how I truly feel about it and not a personal attack on anyone.
This will Obviously split people here and to be fair I never expected it to end up on Daegans Blog being openly discussed so I guess I had better get my crash helmet on just in case. LOL.
Both men are terrific and their contribution to the Network Marketing World is Amazing. I want to do all of mine online and the success I am now getting is because of what I have learnt from these 2 men. (plus my own hard work of course). So I thank them both.(but I thank Daegan more - I am allowed to say that?)
But, Mr.Dillard, to put down an Industry (mlm) that has made you millions to try and sell another business is not good form in any language. I would not put down another product to sell my own and that is what Mike Dillard did here. There is no way around it. It is written down in a letter so it is exactly what I am saying. I do not say this to disrespect anyone but merely to point out that on this issue I feel Mr.Dillard let certain core values slide in order to increase the success of this marketing campaign. I am sure it has made him a fortune to but it plays on the nagatives and fears of many and I cannot go along with that. I bought the Magnetic Sponsoring and Building On A Budget then some weeks after I read the Coffee House Letter. Can You Imagine how I felt having spent on these products to find the same guy pretty much said “Hey, you just bought a dead dog, you should have come this way instead”!!!
I will let the deabte rage on a little further and will watch to see what on earth I started here!!! LOL
Jay Roberts
www.freemlmleadsuk.com
p.s. I am not trying to compete with anyone either as my stuff is all aimed at my niche in the UK where we dont have anyone like Daegan or Mike…..yet!!
p.p.s. Daegan, I would love to chat with you as I want to hire you for personal mentoring coz you Rock Dude!!!Can we talk??
And to answer Sylvan
not ignorant at all I promise you. And not aiming to put down an Alhpa male to make mytself seem stronger at all. Please read above to see that is not the case.
I am not that kind of person and if you knew me you would know that.
And did Mike Dillard not try and make GPT seem stronger my belittling the Alpha Male MLM?
Food for thought?
Jay Roberts
Wow What A Discussion going on…I love It..
For me it is like being a father and being asked to pick one son…He He..I am single by the way as of now/…
Exactly 12 months back I stumbled across Mike’s Magnetic Sponsoring theme and the the whole world changed for me…After doing more research Came across Daegan and things improved further….
Today from a downline of 1,000 people 12 months back I have crossed now over 10,000 people : highest income earner in my company : recruited over 150 people in the last few months : able to generate 100+ leads daily from google adwords without spending anything….And things look great ahead…Getting ready to form a comlete MLM system for my team now..
So you can see both these individuals have greatly impacted my life…However There is a difference in their working styles which I have personally felt…
1)Daegan is always there with lot of free stuff as compared to Mike which makes him more lovable
2)For me personally , PPS is more important than Magnetic Sponsoring because in my country India i can’t have Magnetic Sponsoring courses delivered..So naturally I can’t promote them…Even though I have made consistent requests on this to Mike ’s customer service and in wain..I hope this thread might reach him
3)Daegan is more accessible in form of this court and otherwise also as compared to Mike
4)However From conversion point of view , I feel Mike’s products convert better than Daegan…To me also Mike’s writing style is a bit more impressive
5)Mike has done a huge work for MLM community by creating BetterNetworker.com which really helps a lot…may be daegan can also look into this aspect or something like this..
To conclude both of them are awesome and are real gems for the MLm niche and paving the way for success of many in their own unique styles…Best of luck to both of you …Keep on providing more and more information
Cheers
Ankur
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It seems that ideally a simple system would be one that attracts the most people, but will determine the level ( amount and quality of time ) in which you spend communicating with them -directly or indirectly, and vice versa. In the above scenario as you state, ” … but only those who meet the criteria of people you specifically want to work with.” - To me this determines a level of people you wish to work with directly ( one-on-one via forum, blog etc. ) right now, for whatever specified length of time, and the others will work with you indirectly or in a less intense way via the limitations of the system ( recorded audios, videos, websites, software, tools etc.) By having a system like this it allows you to maintain your peace of mind ( control ) as the one “hunted” and not the one “hunting.” - Very Empowering!
I too am here to absorb ALL Daegan has to offer and learn as we hungry marketers of all ages, backgrounds, and experiences crave for his success - and in vertically equals our success.
Jay R. thanks for being the leader that you are as well!
I am very interested in attracting more qualified individuals to my business. Please continue to share with me any ideas that might help me and my team. Greg
Hey Daegan,
The information contained in this email is extremely valuable, and easy to understand. I like the way you approach business in a common sense way. I look forward to receiving more information as I am in the process of setting up my own marketing campaign to get the ball moving on my business.
Mike
Again further great discussion.
Lets not forget the great advice Daegan provided us in turning these leads into recruits. The best part about this info is turning the playing field into home field advantage.
I was and have witnessed in others the type of desperation in attempting to get new recruits. It is so true that the desperation exudes from you like the stench of a rotting fish.
Now we can put ourselves in the position of leaders who are only looking for people who take action and are willing to go the extra mile.
Essentially interviewing potential team members and now we have all the control and the desperation is now on them. I LOVE IT!!!
As for the debate on who is better or this or that, they both offer great information, leadership and mentorship. Dillard is essentially using a marketing tactic to go after another niche and more power to him.
As for Daegan, you could not ask for a greater teacher and leader,
Great Job My Friend.
Ron B
James/Jay — I not only read the post, but put in my two cents worth, and will share the same here.
I too have read Mike Dillard. I went through his boot camp, and bought magnetic sponsoring. At the time, I was just starting out and didn’t have a very big budget. Other than the boot camp, he didn’t offer much free information. I did get good information from his products, and while I wanted to get some of the other packages he offered, I frankly couldn’t afford it. (Or at least perceived at the time that I couldn’t, I went on to spend far more $$ for far more value later on!) I have no doubt that Mike’s other packages are value packed, though I have yet to purchase the others.
To me, the difference between Mike and Daegan is that Daegan is more focused on folks who are new to internet marketing and don’t have a lot of money to spend right now. He offers more “freebies” via downloadable videos and audio files. Now, that isn’t to say that Daegan doesn’t also have his high priced packages. (Please, no one get me wrong — I’m not saying “over” priced with either of these guys — there is a difference!) I know that both Mike and Daegan believe in buying everything out there, because in order to succeed in the long haul, you have to keep learning and growing.
I think the difference is the market that they each target. Daegan seems more focused (to me at least) on those just starting out, while Mike seems more focused (again, my opinion) on those who have achieved a certain level of success already, or at least that have some $ to spend to further develop their businesses.
Great discussion!
Just wanted to correct a typo in my last post — I said: (Or at least perceived at the time that I couldn’t, I went on to spend far more $$ for far more value later on!)
I meant to say: (Or at least perceived at the time that I couldn’t, I went on to spend far more $$ for far LESS value later on!)
Hi alll
To Louise above in the UK to, it is different in the UK as the marketing has to be different coz USA stuff wont work without a UK twist. That is my findings for this last year also.
Dave Meyers thank you for your kind comment.
Cheree thank you for your comments on my blog and here.
Just to clarify I am only questioning the source energy that they seem to come from with what they do. I was learning from both as both are great leaders and are setting the trends. But I chose to move away from Mike Dillard when he put down MLM to sell something else. So in truth the question is “is it ok to put down another product or business to sell your own, especially when the one you are putting down made you rich”?
Thats it really. Nothing more then that. And for that reason that I do not agree with I chose Daegan and will continue to do so because of this guys heart being in the right place. And as Louise above touched on, Dagean never seems to sell me anything either with his messages he just keeps giving knowing that he will get Rich anyway the more he gives out. What a Great Lesson In How To Grow Your Business!!!
I hope Daegan is reading these because he should be proud of the lives he has touched.
Keep It Fun Keep It Free
Jay Roberts
UK
Free MLM Leads UK
Hello Deagan and others,
Deagan is selling, he just approaches it in a very different way. Drug dealers have used a similar system to get people “hooked” for free. Deagan, however, gives value up front with his free information to help out those just getting started and looking for some direction. Just getting started myself and in a very serious financial situation, I can’t afford to spend what’s needed to get properly trained for maximum results.(I live in south-east Texas where hurricane Ike was very unkind)
Understanding Deagan’s approach is easy. It is in down-to-earth language. While I have a long way to go, Deagan’s gems of free instruction are very valuable to me. With the US economy in upheaval, there are many others in dire straits for different reasons. I can’t comment on Mike Dillard as I only learned of him today.
To get gold, you have to sift a lot of raw earth. The free leads you get by using methods Deagan recommends gives you a possible vein-rich source of raw earth. Then you start to sift. Not all of your free leads will produce any pure gold. They probably will out perform paid leads just from the standpoint of sharing a common interest and having identified with you.
Every business is a people business. How you relate to “your people” will determine how successful you are.
Keep it up Deagan. Your methods work for you and obviously for others here. For those of you who are down and discouraged, but not out, this is a good source. Deagan appears to be someone who cares. I hope this is true of him. He appears to want nothing but the best for all here. For that I continue to salute you Deagan.
Down, but not nearly out,
Robert
First time I’ve been likened to a drug dealer . . .
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Daegan
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Hey Everyone,
I have read all of the posts listed here and could not help but
saying something.
I to have been using Dagan’s system PPS and have used Mike’s system
Magnetic Sponsoring. In comparison both system are great and focus
on the funded proposal options. At least with Dagan PPS system you
have a link to enter your business opportunity, but with Magnetic
sponsoring system there is no place for your opportunity. I wish
both systems offered you the opportunity to tie the leads generated
into your own autoresponder so you can follow up automatically instead
of calling the prospect, your generate with the advertising they provide.
But If I must choose, I choose Dagan because of all of the free advices
he offers with no strings attached. The emails I received on a daily
basis really encourages me.
Thats my 2cents .
Regards
Andrew
LOL. I do wonder if there would have been a better analogy than a drug dealer but i know the kind of thing he means. LOL
Jay
Hi Daegan,
I think both you and Mike Dillard are sharing about
the same thing in making business work… and that’s
branding yourself as an authority.
I heard a comment by Lee Collins that goes something
like… Any idiot can find something that doesn’t
work, it’s the genius that finds something that works.
And there are 2 types of geniuses in this world -
born ones and self made ones. =D
Asher
Hey daegan,
Am proud to be linked with you and have been following you discusion which am actually getting every bit of it. Am looking forward to getting more information for have recently started my own firm.
Dagan,
I posted earlier about Dagan and Dillard, but I just wanted to say thanks for
the things you are doing to advance this industry.
Regards
Andrew
Hi all
I have been reading this blog and found it very interesting! I am a bit confused though! From reading the article on the blog I don’t think that this was about Daegan v Mike D, it looks to me that Jay has complimented both for their leadership but his actual point is more about leadership qualities and ethics.
I think the point was that Mike D on one hand is making huge amounts of cash from selling MLM solutions but in another arena is very critical of MLM and saying its over and try this instead! I also subscribed to Mike D’d tools but cancelled them all when I got the coffee house letter as I wasn’t really wanting to pay money for tools for my buisness from a guy who was saying it wasn’t a great business opportunity! Daegan on the other hand continues to be an advocate of the business model and continues to pass his teaching on - a true leader. So not a question of Mike v Daegan, just a quesiton of ethics and values!!
Thank you Phillipa!!!!!! That is exactly my point.
Jay Roberts
Can someone provide a link to the coffee house letter? I’m curious to read what started all of this?
I had to laugh at the drug dealer comparison. At first I thought it was going to be a negative post… ;o)
Here’s a link to it:
http://mike.coffeehouseletter.com
Damon
“The King’s Support Team”
Sorry… one other comment. Jay, I’m happy to post comments on your blog anytime. Since we are all basically working together, I think we can and should support each other. I’m happy to post comments on anyone’s blog, and would welcome anyone from this group posting on mine.
” FREE ” lowers the barrier to people taking action. I first read about this in a book by Jay Abraham entitled ” Getting Everything You Can Out Of All You`ve Got ” pg.70 ” If you lower or totally eliminate the hurdle in starting a relationship, far more people will begin one with you.”
and that stench makes the internet marketer appear “desperate” when he doesn`t otherwise have to be, esp. when he`s posturing himself as someone who wants ( “loves” ) to help people. That`s why I`m focused on Daegan right now, because of his ” willingness ” to ” really ” help other people in this ” make money on the internet”, ” MLM “,” network marketing”,etc. arena. One example of this is his Partners Program on this site. Unbelievable!!! This kind of mentorship creates within the individual who`s being mentored ( by the system and the person ),the natural desire to recipicate and thus naturally become ” recruiters “, ” partakers of the recruiting system ” — ALL AS THE RESULT of seeking to genuinely help other people and not be as a ” shovel-information-tools provider ” who is only after recovering one`s costs and/or make a profit.
The trick is to do this without seeming so obvious or obvious with a great deal of transparency and honesty — not just to make front-end sales through one`s funded proposal systems. This has become the new craze — to make money some other way other than the primary offer( or break even )in the initial contact, by offering a low cost product / service. Keep in mind, I`m pro funded proposals … I just think we need to be more “sensitive” when applying them — that we`re not thinking more about “personal profit” than the “profit of the other persons” ( mutual profit ). I like what one poster said, it`s so easy to ” smell rotten fish a mile away “– Ron B
Wow - lots of good comments. I also like both Daegan & Mike Dillard + several other “gurus” like Mike Klingler (Renegade University). I think that Daegan really stands out because he gives so much without asking anything in return. They are a lot of people just starting out in internet marketing and are on “shoestring budgets”, so they appreciate the help and when their financial situation improves will then purchase the products / services that will help them advance even more.
Truth be told, we ALL are leaders … at some varying degree or another, on different levels, with different measures of effectiveness, but not ALL are making a conscious effort to build on their leadership potential to be the best servant they can be. For the one who is able to serve the most people ( aka share his value / wealth ), is the one who even gets wealthier ( richer in every sense of the word; physically, mentally, and spiritually. ) Make it easy for people to benefit from your gifts ( talent, skills etc. ) initially started by your your FREE offer ( you reaching out to them )and they will follow you ( become your friend ) and you not only have an opportunity to ” give someone a fish “- so to speak, you have someone to ” teach ” ( impart your wisdom to )…and the right attitude to all of this should be ” gratefulness ” and the charge to go ” do likewise.” This mean they will have to let go of their hurts and negative opinions about internet marketing and their pains from the “rip off-experience.” This was just a “door” ( or an “opportunity mixed with problems” as Daegan pointed out in the FREE ebook ” The Perfect Funded Proposal ” by James Grandstaff and Daegan Smith.
As Philippa said and I agree, ” … a quesiton of ethics and values!!” ( post #33 ) Just like in Corporate America, internet marketing and internet marketers MUST bear a high level of accountability ( responsibility, care ) in conducting business online or off.
Now I really think we’re getting somewhere here. Let’s keep the ideas flowing . . .
To the top,
Daegan
This is a very interesting discussion here. I came across magnetic Sponsoring a couple of years ago and using pay per click only I was able to generate some good income. The problem though was the whole system was branded to Mike Dillard so it positioned him as the expert not me. As an income generating tool it was good though.
I discovered Daegan after I joined Success University and at a point where I was going to invest a few thousand dollars in creating my own system. What I like about PPS is the fact that it positions you and not Daegan from the get go. Hence I am confident to use this as the emails from the system come from me with a link to my own site.
That is a crucial element if you are hoping to convert some of these leads to business partners.
My conclusion is if all you want is up front money either system will do however if you are also looking long term then without a doubt PPS with all the training you get for self branding is a better option.
BTW as per the CHL, I read that a year ago and while I don’t begrudge Mike exploiting a different business model i.e GPT( even Daegan is involved in a GPT and if I ever came across a product that I believe offered ‘real’ value I will get involved myself), I feel after writing that letter he has lost the moral right to promote tools and products to help people achieve success in an industry which he claims it’s practically impossible to achieve success.
It was good sales copy as far as persuading people but if he meant what he wrote there then how could he justify still selling 1 copy of magnetic sponsoring.
Thats my tupence. It may not be popular but hey, thats how I see it.
To your success,
DJ
Daegan Smith or Mike Dillard.
I bought Magnetic Sponsoring. It’s a great read and contains some good information. I still read it every few months. BetterNetworker.com is great. It’s like tapping into success. You can learn everything you ever wanted to know about Network marketing at that site.
Daegan offers a ton of great free content. I had his CD shipped to me and got hit with the monthly charge for the physical newsletter. I hate package deals like that. I always forget to cancel.
I feel like I have gotten that money back many times over since then though, due to all the fantastic free webinars that Daegan puts on with some of the best guests you could ask for.
I’ve listened in on great grillings of Jonathan Budd, Kevin Thompson, and Dave Sherwin.
Keep up the good work, Daegan.
Jonathan
You got it right Philippa
“not a question of Mike v Daegan, just a quesiton
of ethics and values!!”
Personality traits like ethics, values, loyalty and
commitment go much further than flash and pazazz.
I have passed on so many of these ‘funded proposal’
ideas mainly because they simply end up coming across
as the ‘opportunity’ rather than aiding in promoting
my opportunity. Usually I am left with the question:
“If this system will work for the people I promote it
to, why would they join my business?”
Daegan is a true advocate of the MLM industry. His
system is dedicated to dealing with a specific
challenge (calling leads), how to face it (don’t do
it) and how to overcome it (use a system to get them
to encourage them to call you).
Most people in the industry do not mind talking with
anybody about their business - so long as it is the
other person who opens the conversation. If someone
calls you for more information about your business
you would be glad to take that call. If you can get
the calls to come in regularly, you wouldn’t even
care about the ‘Duds’ that get mixed in.
(Duds = Sombody who wants something for nothing)
I definitely agree that I have received more valuable
‘free’ info from Daegan than any other MLM Marketer
out there.
??? Daegan Smith vs. Mike Dillard ???
Daegan hands down
Let’s Roll,
Bill
Hey Jay,
I guess I should apologize for accusing you back there, but it seemed like an attack. I now understand your POV. I don’t think MLM was an alpha, I dont think you can categorize a business model as such.
I do agree with you in saying that we are all leaders, I believe so by default (no offense) but anyone willing to step into IM can be considered a leader. Someone willing to fight against the norms of society and carve out a new lifestyle for them and their loved ones.
I hope to reach Daegan’s and Mike Dillard’s level, even Mike Klinger has good info. I am working on my own info products for IM but I don’t want it to be the same as the great courses already out. To everyone’s success, cheers.
Sylvan Noel
P.S. Daegan you have given me some of the most unusual and effective lead gen methods I have ever seen, and I thank you for that.
I agree with James on comment #4, because of the following personal experience with M.Dillard.
Several years ago Dillard built his Xango business using MagSponsoring, and as a result I got involved with MS. VERY shortly thereafter, Joe Herlihy warned me that Mike was not the caliber of person one should get involved with, from his direct experience.
Mike had built MS using Xango as the back-end, and then bailed out on the Xango recruits he had acquired. He rewrote the MS manual accordingly and left those Xango folks without the smooth transition from MS to their company, the manner in which they were originally recruited.
THEN, using MS, when I tried a test of signing up under myself (to see what my prospects were seeing), that new email address started being blasted with ads FROM DILLARD, in addition to the a/r emails from the system under my name!!
So, it seems Dillard built his entire ‘rolodex’ using all those affiliates’ ad activity touting MS, and then used that worldwide database of leads for his personal advantage. Would I call that unethical, dishonest, lacking credibility…
You bet.
Good point from all this - ALWAYS perform that test yourself - sign-up for the info under yourself (using a different email address and altered name), and see what comes at you. If you start receiving email ads from upline, you know the deal is swayed in their favor and not yours.
You’ll be doing all the ad work at cost, and they’ll be receiving the leads for nothing. Great deal, for them.
Sylvan,
Your course will be unique because it’s your perspective. In that, it will hold it’s own unique value in the market place. So never compare yourself to others, just give the best you got and share it as aggressively as possible and you will carve your own niche.
To the top,
Daegan
Ahh… It’s always fun being blasted by people who have never met me, never talked to me, and never done business with me, yet they jump to so many conclusions and judgments that are incorrect, incomplete, and uninformed.
Eventually you learn that it comes with the territory when you’re constantly in front of 1,000,000+ people per month, as I’m sure my bro Daegan can attest to. (We need to have a beer again soon man).
As for the CHL, I stand by every word and it has been directly responsible for the financial independence of at least 50 people who agree with the message. I just find it funny that you think I’m bashing MLM, when I’m simply bashing the compensation plan.
My primary company (where I’m the #2 distributor), is EXACTLY the same as any MLM company except for the compensation plan, and I build the business EXACTLY the same way I always have, as described EXACTLY in all of my products, which is why I give copies of my products to every person I sponsor in that company, and why 4 of the top 5 earners were sponsored and coached by me.
Any way, I wish everyone on this board the best!
Remember this… You can’t please everyone, nor do you want to. Don’t be afraid to stick you neck out there and be judged. The more successful you become, the more you will be.
But… I’d encourage you to think twice before you decide to share a negative opinion about other people online. You never know who will read it, and what kind of bridges you’ll burn. In the end, a little rant or rumor mill that might seem harmless will ALWAYS do you much more harm than good.
That’s a lesson that was passed along to me by my mentor Joe Schroeder who called the CHL “pure genius” after proof-reading it. Joe’s one of the best marketers in the world which is why Joe “got it”.
The ONLY THING that matters most, is the number of people you’ve served, and I’m grateful for the 1,000,000+ lives that I’ve been able to touch in a positive way around the world.
Have fun, and accept your greatness.
Deagan is one of only 10 marketers I can think of in this industry who’s the real deal, so you’re in good hands!
Mike Dillard
I just read post #4 from James and #13 from Sylvan and I have to say:
I like Coke and Pepsi, Chocolate and Vanilla and Mike Dillard and DaeganSmith.
I mean really, why choose when you can have it all?
Learning from people that know what I want to know and are willing to teach me
is what I choose. We didn’t have only one teacher in school so why should
we have only one teacher in business? The debate is mute if you ask me.
Frank Tocco
Frank,
I’m with you. Learn from any and all who are where you wanna go in my humble opinion. My strategy and business philosophy is not from learning from one person but from many and then finding my own truth in between and the same will be true for you, but . . .
I am glad to see that so many people are using the information in the daily newsletter. I really do give the goods. Now I keep it at a certain level in email because you have to learn how to ride a bike before you can enter the tour de france . . .
To the top,
Daegan
P.S. I will say this about Mike, he’s a good guy to have a drink with, and no matter what anyone has said here, he’s a revolutionary figure in our industry - that my friends is the truth.
Just my 2 cents…i have been a fan of both Daegan and Mike for some time now and have learned a great deal from both. Taking the time to work through and *DO* the program is where I am now.
That being said, and reading the messages back and forth on “who is better” with all due respects I have to say “the program that you will actually do”
One of the things about all the information available so readily on the internet is just that…there is SOOOOOOOOOOOO much of it…and weeding through can be a very daunting task.
I say read and assimilate as much as you can, but it’s like eating fish: eat the meat and spit out the bones. But by all means, do the plan.
Do these plans work — absolutely — but only if you do the work…
the matter is simple as this: which one has the appeal to you, that you can wrap your arms around and make it yours — that, my friend, will be the one that brings you success — but only after you make it your own and do the work.
Just my insight … but keep the good information coming.
Hey Deagan,
I wasn’t reffering to you as a drug dealer. It was just an analogy for comparison. I hope you and everyone in discussion took it that way. If not, I apologize. Guess I watched too many cop drama’s while growing up!!
Robert
Never apologize for anything you say. Personally, I thought it was funny. It’s probably pretty hard to see through text, but I don’t take too many things personally so no worries . . .
To the top,
Daegan
Well, I decided to take a look at the C.H. Letter and to my surprise it was something I`ve read before. Other companies have adopted this ( ex. EZ Wealth Solutions - I`m not talking bad about this company ) To me this is an evolution of the ” high- ticket item selling ” craze, which if an item of a higher cost ( NOT necessarily VALUE)was sold, then the marketer who sold it made a lot of money “UP-FRONT” as opposed to the marketer selling a lower-ticket items( which offer REAL VALUE AT A PRICE THAT EVEN THE MASSES CAN AFFORD!)
) It`s funded proposal with high-ticket on the front end and your opportunity or program on the back end ( low, medium, or high … as if they didn`t get enough upfront! GREED!! } Is this what MLM is all about? Amassing as much money as you can with little regard for human development? ( Care, responsibility, future leaders ) Or do they leave that to the others who don`t just esteem money as important, but impart REAL WEALTH that only ” the journey ” of valuing human relationships can offer?
In my opinion I think this brings great compromise or damage when so-called high-ticket items are marketed as the ” epitome ” in the MLM, NETWORK MARKETING, INTERNET MARKETING industry, because of the amount of money one can potentially make per sale or accumulative sales in a short period of time ( ie. ” One Day” ) People are no longer interested in long-term relationships if they can ” Get paid a year or more worth of residuals on Day One no matter what happens.” ( And I`m NOT against “INSTANT PAY” or “Get-Paid-Today” or “PAID DIRECTLY TO YOUR ACCOUNT” type comp plans either… I love them and greatly endorse them!) but the C.H. Letter and other GPT type high-ticket income-upfront-ONLY- type programs ( whew! ) is a perversion of the ” funded proposal system”! ( My opinion … please don`t kill me
Dave, you’re making an uninformed conclusion. I can’t speak for all high-ticket companies, but the one I’ve helped build for 3 years now pays a nice infinity bonus. In fact, I have a nice crystal plaque sitting right here that arrived two days ago in the mail. It says, “2nd Place Infinity Bonus” on it, representing the amount of residual income my team produces month after month…. LONG after the initial sale.
Again, you’re entitled to your opinion, but please just make sure it’s an informed one.
Mike
Hi Daegan,
The information is great! I like how you break things down.This is new for me, but I’m excited,
ready to learn more,and take action.Marketing is so important,and you definitely have to have
the right mindset.
I appreciate your knowledge and generosity.
Roz
I Deagon, Thank you for been there for me, My COMPANY is a good one but I am having a problem with the prospects that came abourd with me, they all drop’t out. Every thing that I have learned I pass it on to them, but nothing works for us. I am down to allmost my last dollar. please help me get back on my feet, I refuse to gave up my dreams.MILLICENT.
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Hi Mike, never thought I would be chatting with you directly. Nice surprise! Much respect.
The only thing I`m trying to say: 1) I`m for high-ticket selling and instant direct pay etc. ( the best as far as making money is concerned from ” the marketers` perspective” ) BUT 2) I see a subtle shift where when compared to the ” low- cost product “,front end funded proposal systems ( geared for many in the MASSES ) or the ” FREE”,NO-COST product front end funded proposal system ( geared for the MASSES ), the high-ticket funded proposal system SEEM to be geared toward a FEW in the MASSES. Yes, some GPT companies offer a low ticket product or start-up cost ( ex. EZ Wealth again )and / or a leverage system ( with pay-It- forward, 1-up,2-up 1-up & 2-up hybrids etc. )UPFRONT ( I`m in support of these type of opportunities if they sell a REAL value product upfront, NOT one that just wets my appetite and then tries to upsell me with yet more products and services in the back end or else I won`t be upgraded to earn the high commissions etc. if or when I decide to market( this is why I like affiliate program models like PermaProfits as an example; FREE to join, instant 100% affilate commissions paid direct— they are low cost, customer -friendly, PLUS marketer friendly as well, merchant is willing to profit on the back end only through building RELATIONSHIPS with the customers, and providing for future needs ) What high end program do you know that`s willing to forgo making a profit directly ( upfront )from the customer or affiliate, but profits indirectly ( back end )maybe from leveraging other people`s money ( like the commissions or advertising dollars that`s paid through Pay Per Lead Programs or free trial offers - ex. TrialPay, as a payment option, or software such as Bribe Machine or Web 2.0 Traffic Generator that allows you to trade your products or services for traffic and MORE! ) This is why some would-be marketers ( recruits ) maybe leery of optin in to some marketer`s deals, for fear of being listed and branded as their opportunity to make more sales ( sell more shovels ) AND THIS AIN`T COOL from the customer`s, would-be marketer`s perspective. So, my conclusion is not for ALL high-ticket companies, but based on my experience with SOME espousing the idea of GPT with high-ticket item ONLY as their ” main” agenda, I have come up with this. All I`m saying we need GPT, but make them more accessible to the MASSES, and facilitate the process ( from free -or- low-cost to high-ticket ) That`s all I`m saying. Don`t be sooo concerned about getting all the money you can now out of one or a few deals and sacrifice the beauty of a relationship — and that is more than money!
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Dave,
I’m trying to read through your post, but I can’t figure out what point you’re trying to get across. Use short sentences and small paragraphs and your perspective will be easier for us all to get and comment back on.
To the top,
Daegan
Forgive me, I`m known to be detailed. We were discussing funded proposals and GPT, how there is a similarity BUT a very big difference and shift in some marketer`s perspective to ” Get paid a year or more worth of residuals on Day One no matter what happens.” Get paid a year where as, the typical funded proposal is more like ” Get paid a day`s worth ( one-time sale / residuals ) or not on Day One “, because you`re more interested in establishing a REAL on-going relationship with that person in spite of their purchasing power. It`s not what they have, but what they can do with what they have ( wither it be time, effort, or money ) I mean there was a time when high-ticket program owners took note of this, by creating lower enter points in their programs, but how low can you go and still be considered a GPT that ” gets paid a year or more worth of residuals on Day One …”? and going back to our free leads taking a chance to communicate with you, a lot of them would probably run to the hills when there is no change in their economic situation and you ask for a high amount of dollars on a front end proposal or too early in your back end, all in the name of creating an income where you are paid ” a year or more worth of residuals on Day One no matter what happens.” In this situation, you`re really not looking for someone to join ” a primary business”, so the statement ” … no matter what happens ” was never a real concern or intention. The high-ticket program upfront, is / was the primary business.
Daegan thanks!
Ok I think I see your point here . . .
My two cents:
The problem is people.
From the recruiters perspective - When the entry point is low the urge is to get as many in as possible regardless of true qualifications in the name of money for most.
In the high end situation only those qualified by price can even enter, so you do get a larger commitment, but people tend to sell the moon and the stars to get people to lay the money down to get in so people are over sold and can get themselves over extended to a dangerous extent.
To me, it’s just a choice. Which way do you turn to say . . .
Not that one is better than the other. Rather what situation do you want to be in and how will you react to maximize your potential once in that position.
Truth be told is, people are typically the downfall.
From the new recruit perspect - Low end and most won’t treat it like a real business.
High end and people expect success to just show up because they paid a premium price for entry.
It’s our job to lay the proper perspective for those who come after dependent on the business situation we choose to place ourself.
To the top,
Daegan
Daegan You certainly have some timely information Thanks for sharing it with me and the masses, I to have at time been in some MLM companies such as Forever living products Which is an Aloe Vera company been going now since like 1978 problem was the company changed their formulation of products, and What once helped people hardly did a thing after the reformulation My Dad Who had been drinking the Aloe Vera juice for his gout… Well it came back, And the Company really had other problems deeply rooted in the Executive Highest ups. So After Our Family had begun a successful Sponsoring and sharing with people… We just after like 5 or was it six years just gave up because we were so hurtfully lied to, I have to say that My Oldest Brother Was reaping so much of the benefits, Then he gave up as well.
Then here back a few years I was Signed up in Family of Eagles a Company that started out extremely well, Strong in 1 10th Ounce American Eagle Gold coins, And later added some heath products They also preached low price was king! we found that we did not have the lowest price. But that was not the problem What they did was Destroy Their Immage When They did away with thier Company Structure Of the American Flag with An American Bald Eagle On it.
The Company went to a simple Yellow card with (all in Black letters) 3 merge.com
Any way it all but killed off that company they are still in Cedar Hills Texas but just barely I understand why they changed but you don’t take something that’s working and change it.
I just want to really be successful Without some one changing what doesn’t need to be fixed.
I’m sure you know what I’m talking about. Anyway Thanks I’ll look at anything you send me.
Thanks Randall
Hi Daegan, I am reading and saving your emails and I am working through some of Mike’s
college programs. I’m grateful for the opportunity to be in this community. Thank you.
I have a lot of work ahead of me I need to get done which is the Joy of it.
Guyte
I promise this will be my last post on C.H. Letter and how some practise GPT. ( nothing wrong the concept itself )
Again I speak from the perspective of a new lead or customer with
the possibility of becoming a recruit ( er )
And my argument with the way some are practising GPT; Not best as an early back end or even a front end when you`re just connecting with someone Day One, Day Two … ( first week ) What`s the rush?
Afraid downline will go into attrition after the FIRST sale or somewhere down the line? All this seem like fear tactics to get people to spend HIGH TODAY for the marketer`s benefit,
because the marketer is on a mission to make as much money as they can in the least amount of sales as quickly as possible ( High-ticket era all over again )
To me this is being too money-centric and not enough customer-centric ( reminds me so much
of Corporate - Where is the heart of the person as a marketer?)
Ok, two people that can help bring home what I`m trying to say in a principle called
” The Law of Growth ” that I think is being violated in practise by advocates of C.H. Letter — are Jason Oman ( in ” How To Make Money And Achieve True Success report ) and Dennis Becker of ” 5 Buck A Day ”
They both suggest the mental strategy that the C. H. Letter is wrong for the average person who hasn`t even learned how to make $5 online, more or less $500, or $5,000 or more.
I know the manta about, ” Whether you promote a $10
program or a $1,500 program… the marketing costs, time, and
effort on your part are still the same.”
This is true to a certain extent ( but a lot has to do with the SKILLS & CHARACTER of the one promoting as Greg Hughes reveals in his new book called ” The Snow Ball Effect ” )
Newbies, fresh leads may not be natural-born marketers and may require
It`s probably best to
Please!!! Leaders are being developed
developing. Oops! There goes a high-tickers` loss of time and sale if
he ever run into this kind of individual.
have a system that avoids them all together — might put a drag on their
year`s worth of residual income in a day income
every day - thanks to the good CHARACTER ( Values & Ethics ) of their teachers
distilling in them a solid foundation worth more than gold.
Thanks Daegan for your patience.
I love to read all the comments and I must say that I am thankful for people like Daegan and Mike. I have been in different programs and I have vowed that the mlm program I am in now will be my last one. I found Mike Dillard information and going through it now and being on better networker, I found Daegans information which I was happy to find. Like I said earlier, its not about which is better but which one do you want. Hey like a previous post said, take them both. I don’t know about any of you, but I need all the help I can get.
Hello all
This is for post #48 from Mike Dillard.
Thank you for your reply Mike altough I am surprised to see you here.
Thanks for answering my ethics question. It is not a way I am happy to work although I totally understand many will disagree with me as many will also agree. The great thing about a Free World is the Freedom to choose.
Respectfully
Jay Roberts
p.s. Daegan is one of the Teachers I have now Chosen because of the way he works. That is what this is all about. NOT Daegan v Mike. Rather choosing how you want to work and learn and keeping to your core values.
Excellent discussion. As for the “drug dealer” analogy, it actually is a variation
of the puppy dog technique where you allow a family to take the puppy home just to
see if it works for them. After taking home a cute little puppy most people will
buy it because the family bonds instantly with the pet. The tobacco companies
utilized this approach in third world countries where they placed packs of cigs
on top of video games to get the teens and preteens hooked on their product.
As for the Daegan vs. Mike discussion, you can call out the techniques of an industry
without belittling the industry. Many of the old school techniques of this industry
are changing through the work of these two guys so let’s show them the love they
both deserve whatever they choose to do.
Meet you at the top,
Sam Wright
All we are saying is give peace a chance! Let’s fill today with love, success and achievement!
Meet you at the top!
Sam Wright
Hello Mr. Smith
First off, let me say thank you for your emails every day. I look forward to them. Keep them coming.
I have never heard of Mike Dillard before the blog came out. I know when I come on board, it will be with your program, because of your commitment to stay in contact with me. I would like a chance to talk to you via email sometime. Again thank you for all the informative emails.
Debbie
Love the discussion..
And surprised to see both mike and daegan..Wow..Jay….
See you in the email.
Ankur
OK, I think this person tried to insult me, but actually, I feel like I’ve been complimented being compared to you, Daegan! This is from someone who just unsubscribed to my mailing list:
“also i know u and the “the king of never calling a lead” set it up to make it look like u made a random comment then sent me a message saying check out this comment etc …both of u need to stop laying games people arent stupid When u treat ppl as such that just pisses ppl off”
[…] be fair, before I give you my reasoning behind my conclusion I would suggest reading the posts at Daegan’s site here & even the “infamous” letter here http://mike.coffeehouseletter.com/chlletter.php. […]
I couldn’t help myself. I read this post and all the comments and wrote a response on my own site. Below is my post to the controversial “Coffee House Letter”.
__________________________________________________________________
This post will be short & sweet. I was browsing around Daegan’s site (if you don’t know who Daegan Smith is - find out - lots of useful & free information ) & reading some of the recent posts and comments. I started reading a controversial topic about a “guru” (atleast I thought) & his thoughts on the Multi-Level Marketing industry such as the IPC program I’m involved with here. I read the article that this guy wrote titled “The Coffee House Letter” because he wrote it at Starbucks (so cute :-)) and for a moment “it all made sense” & scared the $#%^ of me.
But then I used some wisdom (provided over a good nights sleep), common sense & arrived at my own conclusion & ultimately realized he was wrong. And I don’t have any experience in this industry but I know business.
To be fair, before I give you my reasoning behind my conclusion I would suggest reading the posts at Daegan’s site here & even the “infamous” letter here http://mike.coffeehouseletter.com/chlletter.php. Read them and see what your immediate reactions are.
Okay, have you read the posts and letter? Were your reactions like mine? Confused, Scared, Pissed at being lied to by MLM programs you’ve already invested in. Or if you just happen to have $2,000 to invest and know others who can spend that on a weekly basis you probably were excited. I don’t know about you but I don’t meet those requirements hence the whole damn reason I’m here & part of IPC in the first place. So my immediate reactions we’re exactly the feelings that Mike & “The Letter” we’re hoping for. Congrats I’m scared now and confused.
But as I said, I slept on it. Voila!!! Okay, why do I think he’s completely wrong from my perspective. The reason is simple so don’t expect any ground breaking revelations. Here it goes… I know websites and business operational costs. I’m no dummy in that area. I also have a Finance degree & know money. Dan Miller, the founder of IPC, also knows these things. It costs next to nothing to operate a website such as IPC and the back office that goes with it. Everything has already been paid for by IPC. The only expenses required are monthly website costs which can’t be more than $200, salary for support staff which is directly related to how many members of the program there are. So if you have high salary expenses then you’ve got a lot of members which means the program works and is making $$$.
But Mike & “The Coffee House Letter” tried to instill the fear that “what if Mr. Dan Miller leaves IPC?”. My answer to that is simple and based on 2 things:
1. Every business in the world has the “possibility” of “what if” the owners leave or change their mind. That is a common issue anywhere not just MLM. Mike & “The Coffee House Letter” just try to it break down to “our measly” little minds to join their “sipping tea” club. Applying that kind of reasoning to only the MLM industry is unfair. What if Amway decides to stop? I bet they thought the same thing back in the 70’s when it started. Last I checked there pretty successful. Anyways, my point was expressed and on to #2.
2. Having stated reason #1 above. No idiot in his right mind is going to leave a company with a Return on Investment (ROI) that IPC provides. Especially one that basically runs on Auto Pilot. Everything is already set to be successful forever. The only thing that changes is the video training and step-by-step instructions which IPC keeps updated. And that is not that hard to do. Create a video with updated footage and 2 hrs later you have an updated training video of how to use Google. Simple. Dan Miller is making some big time money (millionaire type $$$) and has got it to the point where it runs itself. Who would leave that. NOBODY. If anything he’s probably duplicating the whole process somewhere else and eventually gonna team everybody up for something even bigger at a later date. Would you abandon a company that costs $10,000 a month to operate but that makes a profit of $300,000. Probably not. You’d damn sure do the same thing somewhere else though.
So there is my take on Mike & “The Coffee House Letter”. If I seem heated it is because his logic doesn’t make any sense but he clearly knows how to write & clearly knows how to push his $$$ thousand dollar product at the end. What a surprise!!!
Regards,
Derek Caldwell
www.IPCHomeBiz.com
WOW!! I LOVE this thread!! Thanks Jay for pointing me to it. We need more people like you over here.
As for the Mike D V Daegan debate. I LOVE you BOTH!! You guys are pioneers that have taken MLM into the information age. I believe now is a very exciting time in the industry, because of the internet.
However, this stage in the evolution of MLM is still in it’s infancy and rapidly changing all the time. The key is to be able to keep up and embrace the changes.
One question for both Daegan and Mike. When are you guys gonna come to the UK?
CMoney,
I don’t really have a job so nothing holding me back now. (No just kidding, I like the UK, I’d like to be back out there in the next at least)
To the top,
Daegan
You can find a lot of good teachers in the world, Daegan Smith have a lot of good marerial to offer because he had good trainers.
To become a good teacher you must have had a lot of good trainers, right?
I’m gonna ask a question to everybody here, DO YOU KNOW THE NAME OF ONE OF THOSE TRAINERS WHO TEACH DAEGAN SMITH VALUE INFORMATION ABOUT NETWORK MARKETING???????
I don’t. Is there a reason for your CAPITALS with this question? LOL
Jay Roberts
Not really I just want to make sure everybody reads the question, the answer to that question is Mike Dillard (Magnetic Sponsoring and MLM Traffic formula) , like somebody said before, this is a matter of choise like coke an pepsi, for me both taste good, Daegan teach what he learn from Mike and who knows how many more good network marketers, and Mike have a lot of great information to offer, so the result is: You can learn from the teacher or the great student, from both you can get a lot of knowledge to increase you value.
Wow, both Mike Dillard and Daegan Smith
commenting here. Cool stuff!
Learnt a lot just from reading the tons
of comments here - just a testament to
the power you have, Daegan
Asher
We are free to choose our teachers and all great teachers are still students as I know both these men still are.
Their credentials as far as knowledge go’s are not in question. But the Legend Bruce Lee started as a student but overtook the teacher.
Jay Roberts
Taking a break from the coffee:
Getting back to ” the simple recruiting system ”
- the process about being selective about who you work with.
Daegan wrote,
” Well if you’re getting free leads from
forums, what happens when you’ve got 80 to
100 leads and you’re telling all 100 you’ve
only got 5 spaces?
You create REAL scarcity which increases value
and response. This is good.”
I`ve been in situations where the internet marketer was only looking for
a certain kind of person and the number was limited to a hand full
of people.
Yes, scarcity feeling did kick in. I felt anxious and that I NEEDED to be
one of the first to make contact with this marketer to be interviewed
and hopefully make the part. Unfortunately, I didn`t make it.
I started to reason …
1. maybe I didn`t act ” soon enough ”
2. maybe I didn`t qualify
3. maybe I didn`t express my desire hard enough
I said, oh well… missed this one. BUT didn`t give up on my dream
of becoming an internet marketer.
Hopeful thoughts started coming back in…
Perhaps another opportunity will come along and I`ll get my chance once again,
OR maybe someone else will pick me up… grant me liberty to what they offer
and not be so selective, because their aim is to help as many people as they
can ( esp. ” poor people “, ” those who lack ” etc. )
I got to thinking, instead of relying on such a thing to happen,
why don`t I CREATE my own opportunity and system that would allow
the MASSES and not a few, to get in and a be ” directed ” by me or
something I created / trained to ” duplicate me ” ( websites, audios, videos
people etc.)
This seem like the way to go, but now I need to train my few people
who would duplicate me and need to have my ” special promotion” for
this or do I need to have an automated system that would just
simply give them the ” instructions ” they need to get going and they have
the same system in which to share with their prospects? Because obviously
I can`t handle all these new leads coming in alone. I know if I train them
they will be better ( in terms of marketing )… but how do you do it?
Delegate … duplicate … leverage?? Will that work?
Or really do I want to? ( for whatever reasons )
These are my questions and thoughts on this.
One last comment,
Look at Walmart ( I know this could stir a lot of things, when talking
)… but look at them, they`re not trying to turn customers
about them
from their doors. In fact, it would be safe to say they have developed a
way to keep them coming and actively work on ways to have more.
How much traffic, customer, leads ,visitors can one company take?
Walmart would probably say, ” This not our problem… for we have
an effective system in place ”
Another thing, Why are the customers coming? Isn`t it because they have
lowered the barrier for people to take action with them with their ” low prices etc. ”
my 2 cents
Dave,
I’m happy that you’re thinking things through, but ideals are good to strive for, but then there still is good old reality my friend. You’re not selling something you’re creating a team, managing people, training, and developing them. This is NOT a come one come all situation. Sure there are businesses you could apply this WALMART theory too, but you’ll burn yourself out working with freebie seeking loosers before you make headway.
Trust me on that.
Your time is valuable. Network marketing is not let’s get them all in. It’s a leadership development business. Not everyone is cut out to be a leader just because they show up.
You’ve got a few lessons to learn through experience on this one. If you have product you just sell one off sure come one come all. If you have to personally train, and your success lies in the success of others. You better be pretty selective.
To the top,
Daegan
Can you learn something from Walmart`s selling model and apply it to a
recruiting system?
Just a thought.
Thanks Daegan
Just that you can beat everyone on price and further your market control when and ONLY when you completely dominate a market. It’s the opposite of what we do. That’s called commodity selling. Your business needs to be as non commodity based as possible for you to win.
That’s the last free lesson for today . . .
To the top,
Daegan
in terms of bringing people in.
That`s what I was referring to. Not the training when I used Walmart
as my example.
On training, I was suggesting a more leveraged system where you`re not
doing all the training by yourself… but as you recruit, you train and even
pass some of your leads forward to new recruits etc. etc. etc. so that you don`t
have to be over burden by the influx of people.
Yes, I agree there has to be a ” pattern” or ” system” that every one must
follow to be successful … but how hard is it to create this kind of duplicatable system and get people
to follow it 100% of the time, I don`t know?
Yes, I am no where experienced like you and others in this area ( your`re 100% right! )
And I don`t mean to seem like I`m challenging any one, but as someone who is attracted to this
industry, also believe in it, would like to speak from his limited experience
— because after all, not all people are the same. I have a STRONG desire
to learn and would be glad to be mentored by you or someone under you. It doesn`t matter
just so long as they are a part of your system and following it accordingly.
Again, I`ll take whatever comments you give me as my learning experience.
Thanks
Ok, no more free lessons. ( not a problem)
Daegan, the reason I brought all this up and compared it to
the selling model, was that this whole process of selecting
the right people for your business opportunity … remind me
of what I go through when applying for a job in the interview
phase - where the prospect is basically ” selling ” himself or
trying to. Only to be rejected or accepted ( I guess based on
the company`s ability to manage me or perfect fit )
But, in a lot of MLM programs, you may start off as a customer
and then later on decide to become a business owner - so is this
to only be rejected because you don`t fit? I understand reality - some
people don`t fit, but my problem is with people writing them off as if
there can be no successful way to train these kind of people?
And I don`t always think people are the problem, maybe our training
may not be efficient for those kinds of people, and it may not be
to the interest of the marketer to deal with them when he can deal
with the qualified ones only - because of time and profit.
What`s to keep a marketer from having 2 separate systems for training: Ready and not ready
type people, like there is diversity when it comes to people making payments on their MLM business website.
I don`t know but it seems like a whole lot of people needs maybe going under met.
Just my thoughts.
this is the first time I have read all of the comments,I joined MLM about 2 mo.ago no income yet! I do so want to make the money that seems possible.I owned and worked a Restaurant for 25yrs,own a Furn.Store now three yrs.I am very tired of creating income for other people and work with no income for me.Help!!!I do not know anything about building websites to develope income or draw people to a site.I have seen Mike Dillards site I even ordered it but before I opened I returned it.I am really praying Deagan has some great ideas I can understand,Thanks
Peggy
Dave
You have hit a really good point here. The fact is that MLM training does fall short because everyone learns differently. Some people learn from written words, some from audio some from visual. Yet the MLM tranings do not hit all thses senses so that will always leave people frustrated as the method may not suit them. I was in a system that was all telephone training but it never hit it for me as I am a visual person so I spent 18 months going nowhere. So to me the key would be a multi media training facility for your new recruits so They choose how they want to learn. You have all the lessons ready in all the formats.
(this is exactly what we are building in the for our mlm in the UK)
There is alot more I ca put on here but I dont want to give all my research away. LOL
Keep It Fun Keep It Free
Jay Roberts
Jay, thanks!
That`s all I was trying to say.
This cookie-cutter, One-size-”FITS”-all approach may purpose a problem to the would-be marketer,
who initially opted in maybe from your FREE offer or not free offer, to only be exposed to a system
that after qualifying, he or she doesn`t qualify! What about the chance to develop
whatever the marketer is looking for? Or better yet as I mentioned, why not
consider a dual system and make some adaptation to our plan to include them.
After all, they came in through our funnel system - received our FREE report, or purchased
our front-end product / service ( whatever action that we required for them to opt in ),
but here comes the clincher - they have to qualify because the system they opted in to
doesn`t accommodate them. ( This spells limited )
I feel ( even though it`s still labeled as an ” idea ” ) as an internet marketer
where recruiting is involved, shouldn`t we at least do all we can for the people
who came to us through our marketing efforts to be new recruits(ers)? Shouldn`t we at least
have a more diversified system? … unless a lot of us are at a level where we can
just fish for fun, and not need to live by almost every fish we catch.
My last comment on this.
A simple recruiting / training system needs to have more diversification that fits the quantity
and quality of people coming in, and not the other way around. ( my opinion )
Diversity in each role they would play per qualifications …
Diversity in training as Jay mentioned …
You get the picture.
I hope I have added to the discussion. Please forgive me if I have done anything else.
Takes again Daegan ( I`ll keep absorbing as much as I can )
Dave
I got your email. Daegan vs. Mike? Well I have been listening to both of them for over a year now. When I got to the end of the message and started to read these comments I knew that I would have to reply. First off there is a whole lot of publicity for Mike’s new business and it was free! And all of you can’t figure out why this guy has made millions. Stir up the pot and turn up the fire. Eveything that I have put into action has been a direct result of Mike. “Educate yourself” was one of the biggest things he pushes. I ended up finding Daegan, Eban, Perry and the list continues. Maybe Mike was right and you just haven’t figured it out yet. Daegan I read all of your messages and have put alot of your stuff to work. You are the hands on guy, the one that shows people exactly how to do what they need to. I have relied on you to show me all of the small stuff (ex. autoresponders, lead capture pages, etc.) Mike is all about the psycology, busniess, and theroy. To finish this off, to trash someone you haven’t met or by hearsay is just flat out wrong no matter what site you are on. Because someone doesn’t like a comp plan doesn’t give any one the right to make an uninformed comment and trash them
Layland
Layland
Who got trashed? The question is ethics not wealth success or money or knowledge.
There is not personal attack merely a view point on the way something was marketed.
I am sure we are allowed that and yes, alot of Free Publicity which again is easy to see.
I can figure out how he made millions to so I guess I am doing pretty good. And if money is your only goal then that is fab to.
I to started the “education mission” because of Mike book so as already stated I am eternally gratefull for this.
And the psycology you refer to is called “fear of loss” so I can assure you I do “get it”.
Not ok for us to comment on an ethical value within a marketing campaign but ok to play on people fears to sell a high end product? Hhhhmmmmm. Interesting.
Jay Roberts
actually I will change that a little. I was already commited to learning and self development as I am sure not many went to the extremes I did to find inner peace but what Mike did do was flick the attention to what to study and learn to make it online.
Thought I would clarify.
Jay Roberts
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I think this will be one of those threads, that ends up getting linked from other websites and creeping its way up the search engines.
Especially with Mike participating. I wonder who tipped off Mike… ::whistles::
The only problem is that since most of the folks here came from Daegan’s list, of course a majority of folks here will have a bias. I’m sure the opposite would have been the case if it was Mike promoting this thread to his list.
Too bad this couldn’t have been on a more even playing field.
Having worked personally with Mike, both as my sponsor, as a friend and business partner, I would say that any accusation related to any ethics are totally off-base and have no grounding in reality.
I think it’s incredible that he doesn’t have more people blasting him online, considering how long he’s been around. Given that he’s owned and operated Magnetic Sponsoring for 4-5 years now, I’m still hard pressed to find anything negative written about him online.
He’s been at the top of the industry that long and still very few people have bad things to say about him. (Except the occasional affiliate who didn’t know they have to submit their paypal address into the MS backoffice to get paid.)
And it’s for a reason… because there is nothing bad to say about him. The only bad that is talked about, is through interpretation of something he did or an action he took or something he wrote.
So that’s really what this is all about. Someone’s interpretation…
That seems like pretty small potatoes. It’s a classic example of creating a mountain out of a mole hill.
He’s at the top of this industry, because of his strong ethics and character, not because he lacks them. And he’s brought a bunch of people like myself up with him — through his courses, writings, mentorship and now partnership.
Others like David Schwind, Jim Yaghi, Justin Christianson, Ray Fong, Andrew Caas and many others can say the same.
I assure you that Mike has no plans of letting go of the #1 position Magnetic has over this industry… it’s only the beginning. There are tons of people who are in need of his training and insight.
…and in need of Daegan’s as well. These two minds offer two very different and valuable perspectives. It’s foolish to ignore either.
But it’s my privilege to have a front row seat for the rest of the journey Mike has been on for the past 10 years of his life. I look forward to the growth that will come as a result of it.
Best,
Ferny Ceballos
I wonder who James is. Does anyone know?
And yes an interpretation that is open to personal opinion. Maybe the UK is different to te USA as most people in the UK that I have spoken to about CHL over the years agree. It was never about the person as I have said many times, although a few have taken this as a chance to air some unrelated points. Nothing to do with me I am happy to say.
I also admire your loyalty to your friend. I like that quality.
An interesting discussion and probably a good point ot close on. I for one am amazed at how this even ended up here but i guess I just learnt a valuable lesson about the big old web, oh and to never let james know what i am writing. Whoever James is. I wonder………….LOL
Jay Roberts
(p.s. James is not me in case you were wondering. Not my style)
Well nearly finished.
In the UK we do actually do prefer Tea to Coffee.
www.the12weekcourse.co.uk/thecupoftealetter.html
And in case anyone thinks this lacks ethics to be fair it is just
British Bare Faced Cheek Mate.
Jay Roberts
people always sent other people fake money orders and checks it s not right because there is people that have kids and no money and they look forward to that kind of things then they get screwed over its causes alot of disappointment and problems for peoples happiness i think its wrong dont you???????????
Great thread guys. Question, where does jonathan budd fit in this conversation since we are talking about the mlm internet gurus?
hello,
i’ve been a loser at MLM for years and now pursuing other online marketing opps.
this is what i’ve been mostly turned-off by many business owners online. EVERYONE is selling information…not necessarily a solution, information. theoretically, it could be offered free…right? no…because they’re in the business of selling information! your gonna have to pay for some secret information that only a few have discovered and protected. pfsshh!
now, if you’re gonna go for information…personally, i want the information that is gonna show how-to-do. i don’t want more information before i establish sound beginnings. i used to be a teacher and through my studies…i realize…that’s the American School system too…new topic, new topic, new topic. where are the basics? i’m tired of it. make things complicated and advanced without solid beginnings…your bottom will fall out (ie. our country’s economy…advanced finance thought & systems/while countries like Iraq have billions in reserve).
i don’t mind telling people about Daegan because…he’s in contact with you damn near everyday! how can you not respect that?! he will provide free information too, without turning your pockets inside-out to get it. really, it’s not worth protecting and always placing a price on it. in addition, i don’t want an autoresponder contacting me everyday-give me a personal touch.
most MLM & NW comps are legit…just suffer from lack of unique product and ppl keeping reps in worker mode instead of grooming them to be in Boss position.
i’ll go with the person who remains visible and provides information that i can use to take action…not set me up to become well versed in all these ’secret’ marketing techniques so that i can flaunt what i KNOW. i need action, solutions, and results.
heykevinb.
As days have gone by … I`ve had the chance to see CLEARLY
some things that did not come out at the time I originally posted.
Here is one - ” my conclusion of the C.H. Letter ” and Mike Dillard`s
response to my comments ( post #55 )where he said, ” Dave, you’re making an uninformed conclusion.”
I just want to clear this up for anyone who might read this.
My conclusions were based on the Letter itself - the web copy,
and not an actual knowledge of Mike`s GPT program. So, somewhere he must
have thought I was referring to his GPT program when I was making my
comments on what I read.
It`s the message of the CHL I was reacting to ( through the eyes of a new lead ), NOT Mr. Dillard or his program, for I haven`t seen or heard of his GPT program.( I`ve heard of him, used his materials, and still think of him as one of the top mentor / marketer / businessman in this industry )
It`s just when I reread the CHL, based on our original thread discussion, I concluded it`s not realistic for the average person who never generated $1 on the internet to all of a sudden think he`d ” Get paid a year or more worth of residuals on Day One ” )
NOTICE: I DID`T say it`s unrealistic for ANYONE to GPT ( Get Paid Today )just for the average
person shouldn`t EXPECT such high income like that in ONE DAY without meeting certain conditions …
… That it`s best for that person to choose a more safer route when starting out. ( I give
examples of this in post #66 )
Daegan pointed out to me this as well, that “only those qualified by price can even enter ” such a program (post# 63 ) which again tells me this is NOT FOR the masses or general FREE leads coming into a simple recruiting system.
Dave
Hey, Mike if you happened to revisit this thread, Sorry for any confusion on my part.
Hi Daegan
I just wanted to pop on as I have recruited 4 people in the last 9 days all online.
I have had to put a UK twist on things as the trust is not here in the UK as it is in the USA but without your laying the path I would not have even continued as your blueprint to online recruiting kept my faith. I have used some of your generic Free techniques plus my own UK findings.
Thanks again for your invaluable help up to now.
Jay Roberts
Oh and the cup of Tea Letter seems to be going down a storm as all the new recruits went through this marketing letter.
Couldnt have done it without you.
best wishes
jay Roberts